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Philwill · Jun 25, 2012, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Or to be more accurate: what is involved in the Ascalon Campaign?

I had to take an involuntary break last time as my Working Situation changed and free time became something of a rarity.

So I'm hitting the HoM trail again, recently I made progress through Ascalon, I'm still looking at the "Nolani Academy" quest, I can see using the Guild Wars Wiki that this is the last quest in this line. Is that considered to be the last of the Ascalon Campaign or does the campaign take into account the Northern Shiverpeaks, Kryta content etc?

MisterB · Jun 25, 2012, 07:32 PM // 19:32

Ascalon is a region of Tyria, which is both the name of a continent and presumably the game's world, and Prophecies is one of the campaigns. Nolani Academy is indeed the final mission in that region, but there are still many left to complete the Prophecies campaign. If you want the campaign statue for HoM, you must complete the Hell's Precipice mission. Please clarify your question if this doesn't answer your inquiry.

My Player Person · Jun 25, 2012, 08:43 PM // 20:43

What the guy above said, you want the hom thing, go through prophs story till the end, do last mission gg done go put it in hom gogo!

Philwill · Jun 25, 2012, 09:02 PM // 21:02

I'm looking to get what I can out of the Hall of Monuments. I know it's a bit late in the day but I figured I'd see what I could get on top of the three "free" points that I do have.

I'd read somewhere that you got a Point for the different Campaigns, so I figured that I'd stick with the Prophecies for now. The only two problems that I was having was finding anyone my level to group with and actually having an idea of what I actually needed to do to get any additional points.

Sorry I wasn't clearer in my first post; looking back it does seem somewhat vague.......but then I don't know what I'm talking about.

caballo_oscuro · Jun 25, 2012, 10:08 PM // 22:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philwill

I'm looking to get what I can out of the Hall of Monuments. I know it's a bit late in the day but I figured I'd see what I could get on top of the three "free" points that I do have.

I'd read somewhere that you got a Point for the different Campaigns, so I figured that I'd stick with the Prophecies for now. The only two problems that I was having was finding anyone my level to group with and actually having an idea of what I actually needed to do to get any additional points.

Sorry I wasn't clearer in my first post; looking back it does seem somewhat vague.......but then I don't know what I'm talking about.

You should go here for a list of things you can acquire and what you will get for all your hard work: Just put in your character name:

http://hom.guildwars2.com/en/#page=welcome

And if there is anything you're not sure of how to find, query the wiki, http://wiki.guildwars.com and you're sure to find something more about it

Cancer777 · Jun 25, 2012, 10:15 PM // 22:15

How many campaigns do you have?

the starter guide for HoM:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guide...uments_rewards

Philwill · Jun 25, 2012, 11:53 PM // 23:53

Ok, so I have all of the Campaigns, I paid for all of them not really knowing what I was actually paying for apart from maybe choice.

So I'm assuming going off that guide that I'm better off hitting Eye of The North first, the only problem is that I have no idea how to get there and make start.

Thanks for all the help so far guys, this is quite exciting.

Star_Jewel · Jun 26, 2012, 12:52 AM // 00:52

You really can't go to North first: It's an expansion and you can't create characters there, and must be at least level 10 and reach a port city in order to pick up the quest to go there (which, in Prophecies, is Lion's Arch -- if you're at Nolani Academy, you're still 3 missions from there). But even once you get to LA, while you can surely do the quest and run to the Eye of the North outpost to round up the first 3 heroes, I wouldn't suggest bashing your head against a wall trying to push through that storyline right away. North was designed for established, experienced players, and thus the difficulty level is somewhat high. If you have no idea what you're doing, you could wind up pretty frustrated.

All of the accomplishments you attain while playing are retained, so you can put them in your HoM at any time (as long as you don't delete the character that did them first), so there's no rush to collect tapestries and get things recorded in the HoM right away.

I suggest sticking with Prophecies until you understand the game a bit better, then feel free to branch out as you feel comfortable (you can also travel to the other campaigns, Factions and Nightfall, as soon as you reach Lion's Arch, which might be a worthwhile detour to pick up a few more heroes (in Elona = Nightfall) and some max armor (in Cantha = Factions), and see if there are any useful skills you might need from the skill trainers.
You could even start in on those campaigns' storylines...but the plots may get a little confusing if you jump around a lot between campaigns (at least that was my experience as a continent-hopping newbie).

Philwill · Jun 26, 2012, 01:05 AM // 01:05

@Star Jewel, yeah I see what you mean. I think I'm gonna keep things simple for the moment and carry on through the Prophecies where I am.....at least until I can choose whether to make a move to the North.
It's not like I'm chomping at the bit to get this stuff, it's just a bonus distraction right now.

Spiritz · Jun 26, 2012, 08:16 AM // 08:16

This is going to sound so cheesy but .. make another chr on nightfall and get the free heros , work to lvl 10 and you will gain access to eotn.But make sure you do nf primaries upto the point where both attribute quests are done then go eotn ( you get your 2 attribute quests quicker than you would in prophs via primaries.
When in eotn get the free heros from there and this may seema a bit of work but having heros can make your job alot easier.You can get a few ranks of eotn titles and use their pve only skills.Any time you can take the nightfall chr over to la - and either fight or get run to ascalon - fighting means going against foes that levels decrease the nearer to ascalon you get.

Star_Jewel · Jun 26, 2012, 10:20 AM // 10:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritz

When in eotn get the free heros from there and this may seema a bit of work but having heros can make your job alot easier.

This is true if one has enough skills unlocked to put at least halfway decent bars on those heroes. New account with fresh heroes, the poor guy is better off with henchmen.

ETA: These two recent threads might be relevant.

Philwill · Jun 26, 2012, 02:03 PM // 14:03

Thanks guys, that's a lot to take in but then that's why I asked the question....because I'm clueless!

So I'm gonna have a read of those threads and try to work out what to do from here.

If I did go the NF route what would be a decent class to go with? I know that in some MMOs that there are classes that just die so easily and in GW I've only ever played a Necro/Mesmer to any real degree.

Cancer777 · Jun 26, 2012, 04:11 PM // 16:11

I posted this on another thread basically detailing how I went about beating the campaigns in the past 2 months (with help from people here in the forums like @Star_jewel).

Only thing I would add to that post is to start characters in all 3 campaigns (with different professions and secondaries) and get them to at least: Kaineng center in Factions, Command post in Nightfall and Lion's Arch in Prophecies this way you'll have extra cash and the possibility of buying more skills before reaching the 1 plat cap. Also these are the cities where characters from different campaigns "meet" so after this just pick whichever character you had fun with a use it as your "main".

Philwill · Jun 26, 2012, 04:17 PM // 16:17

Thanks Cancer, link doesn't work however, if you could repost it that would be great. =)

Philwill · Jun 29, 2012, 01:30 AM // 01:30

Heh, so I'm at work and I see that the release is now in sight

Is it still possible to get any of these points before the end of August? My playtime is sorta restricted to only playing every other four days as I'm on a 4on / 4 off rotation (12 hour shifts).

Keira Fade · Jun 29, 2012, 02:45 AM // 02:45

Well...seeing as I'm a closet masochist I've just completed 30/50 in the HoM for a second time. I started back in March this year, and the second time took me less than a month to do. This second time I played as a mesmer/ necromancer, I think these professions synergise extremely well together if that helps. So if you had fun as a necro/ mesmer, it could be a good thing to stick with.

A lot of what Cancer777 wrote I'll agree with. I'd add more but...to be honest and I don't want to sound patronising but it might be overwhelming. I'm just saying that as back in March a lot of what I read went over my head and it almost put me off the game several times. The meta build he used I used too - http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:Team_-_7_Hero_Player_Support . It's awesome, really - with a couple of tweaks it can take on anything.

If you want to get some skill unlock packs and/ or mercenary slots that could make your life easier. Some of the heroes you need for the build can be annoying to get to, but it's not really needed. Skills like aura of the lich and panic I'd say just pvp to unlock them for your heroes, as they're good skills but you can capture them in the last Prophecies mission - and they'd be useful long before then

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Philwill · Jul 02, 2012, 04:26 AM // 04:26

So today was my first of four days off and I decided to have a look at the Nightfall content. Bearing in mind I only did about three hours of playtime I was able to hit level 7. What I was wondering is that when folks say "it takes this long to do stuff" do they take Side-quests into account? Also, I only have one Hero (Koss) so far, where do you get the other Heroes from, are they quest rewards?

Relyk · Jul 02, 2012, 04:43 AM // 04:43

If you follow the quest line in Nightfall, you get to a point where you need a certain rank in Sunspear and have to grind mobs, which takes forever. Getting to level 7 in itself doesn't take long.

Philwill · Jul 02, 2012, 01:35 PM // 13:35

Aaah, ok, thanks!

Cancer777 · Jul 02, 2012, 04:07 PM // 16:07

sorry for late reply

here's the link:

http://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars/co...eroes_address/

Do bear in mind there are many "meta" builds out there that may suit your play style better.

I've seen guild mates in action with teams based around Physical damage and shouts for ignoring damage that blew my mind.

Also many high end mission are better with "gimmick" builds do search for them when the time comes.

Edit
About the slow progress in nightfall, by the time I ended the campaign I had level 7 in the sunspear title track and a full nightfall book which Im saving for a double point weekend to cash it in so I'm not advancing to level 8 until then. Point is, after doing the "small grind" you'll be close to getting that title so that's a plus (at least for me).

Jun 25, 2012, 06:19 PM // 18:19	#1
Philwill Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2010	What is needed for what.... Or to be more accurate: what is involved in the Ascalon Campaign? I had to take an involuntary break last time as my Working Situation changed and free time became something of a rarity. So I'm hitting the HoM trail again, recently I made progress through Ascalon, I'm still looking at the "Nolani Academy" quest, I can see using the Guild Wars Wiki that this is the last quest in this line. Is that considered to be the last of the Ascalon Campaign or does the campaign take into account the Northern Shiverpeaks, Kryta content etc?

Jun 25, 2012, 07:32 PM // 19:32	#2
MisterB Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy Guild: [ban] Profession: W/	Ascalon is a region of Tyria, which is both the name of a continent and presumably the game's world, and Prophecies is one of the campaigns. Nolani Academy is indeed the final mission in that region, but there are still many left to complete the Prophecies campaign. If you want the campaign statue for HoM, you must complete the Hell's Precipice mission. Please clarify your question if this doesn't answer your inquiry. Last edited by MisterB; Jun 25, 2012 at 07:34 PM // 19:34..

Jun 26, 2012, 12:52 AM // 00:52	#8
Star_Jewel Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Denizen of Tyria since Feb. 2009	You really can't go to North first: It's an expansion and you can't create characters there, and must be at least level 10 and reach a port city in order to pick up the quest to go there (which, in Prophecies, is Lion's Arch -- if you're at Nolani Academy, you're still 3 missions from there). But even once you get to LA, while you can surely do the quest and run to the Eye of the North outpost to round up the first 3 heroes, I wouldn't suggest bashing your head against a wall trying to push through that storyline right away. North was designed for established, experienced players, and thus the difficulty level is somewhat high. If you have no idea what you're doing, you could wind up pretty frustrated. All of the accomplishments you attain while playing are retained, so you can put them in your HoM at any time (as long as you don't delete the character that did them first), so there's no rush to collect tapestries and get things recorded in the HoM right away. I suggest sticking with Prophecies until you understand the game a bit better, then feel free to branch out as you feel comfortable (you can also travel to the other campaigns, Factions and Nightfall, as soon as you reach Lion's Arch, which might be a worthwhile detour to pick up a few more heroes (in Elona = Nightfall) and some max armor (in Cantha = Factions), and see if there are any useful skills you might need from the skill trainers. You could even start in on those campaigns' storylines...but the plots may get a little confusing if you jump around a lot between campaigns (at least that was my experience as a continent-hopping newbie). Last edited by Star_Jewel; Jun 26, 2012 at 12:54 AM // 00:54..

Jun 26, 2012, 04:11 PM // 16:11	#13
Cancer777 Academy Page Join Date: May 2012 Guild: ICBM Profession: D/Rt	I posted this on another thread basically detailing how I went about beating the campaigns in the past 2 months (with help from people here in the forums like @Star_jewel). Only thing I would add to that post is to start characters in all 3 campaigns (with different professions and secondaries) and get them to at least: Kaineng center in Factions, Command post in Nightfall and Lion's Arch in Prophecies this way you'll have extra cash and the possibility of buying more skills before reaching the 1 plat cap. Also these are the cities where characters from different campaigns "meet" so after this just pick whichever character you had fun with a use it as your "main". Ok here is my 2 cents as a new struggling player getting the hang of GW and now 3 campaings beaten in. Story wise just go with the developers intended cycle: Prophecies first followed by Factions, Nighfall, EoTN and finally GW: Beyond* (*this is a free update that will trigger while completing EoTN). Now if you want to make your life easier and getting HoM poinst while having fun (as in not getting killed so often) I recommend a less orthodox path. Ideally choose beforehand a Meta Game Build (this should include a 7 hero team with their skill sets). This build is just a guide so that you know what skills to buy and or cap and which profession and secondary and which heroes to get. I chose this Meta Game Build http://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars/co...eroes_address/ and can vouch for it. So I re rolled and started a new character in Nightfall (I went with a Dervish/Ritualist), but If you want to keep it as logical as possible start in prophecies an travel to Elona (Nightfall) as soon as it becomes an option (in Lion's Arch outpost). I chose Nightfall because I had already played Prophecies all the way to the final missions ( and got stuck there) so I already knew the story. So I played trough Nightfall with a quick detour to EotN (when it became available) to get Gwen, Odgen and Vekk don't worry about the other heroes in EoTN since you'll need a better team to get them. So back to Nightfall, you'll eventually get the choice to go back to Prophecies or Factions. So either steady the course and beat nightfall or if your build requires skills that can be obtained in another campaign, travel there. In my case I played Nightfall all the way until I got Norgu (as required by the build I linked earlier), then switched to Factions to get missing skills for my character and heroes and ended up beating the campaign without even realizing it. After that I went back to EotN to get Livia (Xandra is nice too) and some missing skills. Now back to Prophecies, beat it (with an almost complete team it was fairly easy and even got the protector title). Finally went back to Nightfall and beat it too. Now I'm on EotN, dungeons are still quite difficult but its usually better to take a different specialized team and skill set to tackle those so I'm staying clear of them. I realize it is a very convoluted way of playing but to tell you the truth the game never got stale. I was meeting new characters and plots and twists and many of the "henchmen" have stories that connect all the campaigns together. so it was more like I was doing one "save my homeland" mission but kept getting sidetracked to save some of my heroes/henchmen homelands as well. Since all this was played fairly close together I had no trouble keeping up with the plots.

Jul 02, 2012, 04:07 PM // 16:07	#20
Cancer777 Academy Page Join Date: May 2012 Guild: ICBM Profession: D/Rt	sorry for late reply here's the link: http://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars/co...eroes_address/ Do bear in mind there are many "meta" builds out there that may suit your play style better. I've seen guild mates in action with teams based around Physical damage and shouts for ignoring damage that blew my mind. Also many high end mission are better with "gimmick" builds do search for them when the time comes. Edit About the slow progress in nightfall, by the time I ended the campaign I had level 7 in the sunspear title track and a full nightfall book which Im saving for a double point weekend to cash it in so I'm not advancing to level 8 until then. Point is, after doing the "small grind" you'll be close to getting that title so that's a plus (at least for me). Last edited by Cancer777; Jul 02, 2012 at 04:16 PM // 16:16.. Reason: Missing comment

Jun 25, 2012, 08:43 PM // 20:43	#3
My Player Person Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: England Guild: looking for a q8 13-15wE Mursaat Hammer Profession: Mo/	What the guy above said, you want the hom thing, go through prophs story till the end, do last mission gg done go put it in hom gogo!

Jun 25, 2012, 09:02 PM // 21:02	#4
Philwill Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2010	I'm looking to get what I can out of the Hall of Monuments. I know it's a bit late in the day but I figured I'd see what I could get on top of the three "free" points that I do have. I'd read somewhere that you got a Point for the different Campaigns, so I figured that I'd stick with the Prophecies for now. The only two problems that I was having was finding anyone my level to group with and actually having an idea of what I actually needed to do to get any additional points. Sorry I wasn't clearer in my first post; looking back it does seem somewhat vague.......but then I don't know what I'm talking about.

Jun 25, 2012, 10:15 PM // 22:15	#6
Cancer777 Academy Page Join Date: May 2012 Guild: ICBM Profession: D/Rt	How many campaigns do you have? the starter guide for HoM: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guide...uments_rewards

Jun 25, 2012, 11:53 PM // 23:53	#7
Philwill Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2010	Ok, so I have all of the Campaigns, I paid for all of them not really knowing what I was actually paying for apart from maybe choice. So I'm assuming going off that guide that I'm better off hitting Eye of The North first, the only problem is that I have no idea how to get there and make start. Thanks for all the help so far guys, this is quite exciting.

Jun 26, 2012, 01:05 AM // 01:05	#9
Philwill Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2010	@Star Jewel, yeah I see what you mean. I think I'm gonna keep things simple for the moment and carry on through the Prophecies where I am.....at least until I can choose whether to make a move to the North. It's not like I'm chomping at the bit to get this stuff, it's just a bonus distraction right now.

Jun 26, 2012, 08:16 AM // 08:16	#10
Spiritz Forge Runner Join Date: Apr 2007 Guild: DMFC	This is going to sound so cheesy but .. make another chr on nightfall and get the free heros , work to lvl 10 and you will gain access to eotn.But make sure you do nf primaries upto the point where both attribute quests are done then go eotn ( you get your 2 attribute quests quicker than you would in prophs via primaries. When in eotn get the free heros from there and this may seema a bit of work but having heros can make your job alot easier.You can get a few ranks of eotn titles and use their pve only skills.Any time you can take the nightfall chr over to la - and either fight or get run to ascalon - fighting means going against foes that levels decrease the nearer to ascalon you get.

Jun 26, 2012, 02:03 PM // 14:03	#12
Philwill Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2010	Thanks guys, that's a lot to take in but then that's why I asked the question....because I'm clueless! So I'm gonna have a read of those threads and try to work out what to do from here. If I did go the NF route what would be a decent class to go with? I know that in some MMOs that there are classes that just die so easily and in GW I've only ever played a Necro/Mesmer to any real degree.

Jun 26, 2012, 04:17 PM // 16:17	#14
Philwill Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2010	Thanks Cancer, link doesn't work however, if you could repost it that would be great. =)

Jun 29, 2012, 01:30 AM // 01:30	#15
Philwill Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2010	Heh, so I'm at work and I see that the release is now in sight Is it still possible to get any of these points before the end of August? My playtime is sorta restricted to only playing every other four days as I'm on a 4on / 4 off rotation (12 hour shifts).

Jun 29, 2012, 02:45 AM // 02:45	#16
Keira Fade Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2012 Profession: Me/N	Well...seeing as I'm a closet masochist I've just completed 30/50 in the HoM for a second time. I started back in March this year, and the second time took me less than a month to do. This second time I played as a mesmer/ necromancer, I think these professions synergise extremely well together if that helps. So if you had fun as a necro/ mesmer, it could be a good thing to stick with. A lot of what Cancer777 wrote I'll agree with. I'd add more but...to be honest and I don't want to sound patronising but it might be overwhelming. I'm just saying that as back in March a lot of what I read went over my head and it almost put me off the game several times. The meta build he used I used too - http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:Team_-_7_Hero_Player_Support . It's awesome, really - with a couple of tweaks it can take on anything. If you want to get some skill unlock packs and/ or mercenary slots that could make your life easier. Some of the heroes you need for the build can be annoying to get to, but it's not really needed. Skills like aura of the lich and panic I'd say just pvp to unlock them for your heroes, as they're good skills but you can capture them in the last Prophecies mission - and they'd be useful long before then .

Jul 02, 2012, 04:26 AM // 04:26	#17
Philwill Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2010	So today was my first of four days off and I decided to have a look at the Nightfall content. Bearing in mind I only did about three hours of playtime I was able to hit level 7. What I was wondering is that when folks say "it takes this long to do stuff" do they take Side-quests into account? Also, I only have one Hero (Koss) so far, where do you get the other Heroes from, are they quest rewards?

Jul 02, 2012, 04:43 AM // 04:43	#18
Relyk Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2008 Profession: W/	If you follow the quest line in Nightfall, you get to a point where you need a certain rank in Sunspear and have to grind mobs, which takes forever. Getting to level 7 in itself doesn't take long.

Jul 02, 2012, 01:35 PM // 13:35	#19
Philwill Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2010	Aaah, ok, thanks!